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Just what is the point in the UN?

Post  Green2thecore on Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:21 pm

Another BBC article here, detailing Israel rejecting the proposal from the UN that an investigation into the Israeli attack on the Turkish aid ship should be conducted by an international tribunal. Israel want to do the investigation by themselves!! In other words, they want to cover it up.

Why oh why, can Israel and others flaunt international law and not be held to account by the UN? Especially when countries like Iran and are crippled with UN resolutions. It seems to me like one rule for one and another rule for another.


Ban Ki-Moon demands Israel reconsider rejected probe

Mr Ban is insisting on an international element to the investigation The UN Secretary General has insisted other nations should oversee an investigation into Israel's deadly boarding of a Turkish ship.

Ban Ki-Moon restated the demands days after Israel rejected a similar suggestion that the probe be carried out by an international tribunal.

Israel is insisting it should carry out the investigation itself.

Nine people died when Israel prevented a flotilla of ships docking in the Gaza Strip on 31 May.

Israel has outlined the focus of the probes it will conduct.

They will look exclusively into the legality of Israel's naval blockade of Gaza and the raid on the aid flotilla, Israeli minister without portfolio Benny Begin told public radio on Tuesday.

Rejection

But a UN spokesman said Mr Ban still hoped for "credible international involvement" in the investigation to ensure it was "prompt, credible, impartial and transparent".

He said they had not received an official rejection from Israel.

On Sunday Israel's ambassador to the US, Michael Oren, told US broadcaster Fox News that Israel has the ability and the right to investigate its own military.

That came hours after Mr Ban had called the Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to outline plans for an international tribunal.

At a regional security conference in Turkey on Tuesday 21 out of 22 member countries denounced the raid on the Turkish ship the Mavi Marmara.

Israel, also a member of Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia, rejected criticism at the meeting.
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Post  clagan on Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:49 am

its as clear as the nose on your face that the tail wags the dog, the head of the UN asks Israel to consider an international "element" to the inquiry.

if it was Iraq or Iran they'd be told what to do and invaded if they didn't comply.

the UN's become a laughing stock. set up to maintain international law yet they get pissed over by the Yanks and Israel. its a joke of an organisation thats supposed to look out for the interests of the international community but instead just looks after US interests.
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Post  Green2thecore on Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:09 am

clagan wrote:its as clear as the nose on your face that the tail wags the dog, the head of the UN asks Israel to consider an international "element" to the inquiry.

if it was Iraq or Iran they'd be told what to do and invaded if they didn't comply.

the UN's become a laughing stock. set up to maintain international law yet they get pissed over by the Yanks and Israel. its a joke of an organisation thats supposed to look out for the interests of the international community but instead just looks after US interests.

Well said bro.

The UN is just another tool of the Americans to maintain their global hegemony. The first group to try and uphold international law, in the wake of WW1, was The League of Nations but America refused to join that organisation. Presumably because it was for the world's best interests and not American interests.

Then after WW2, they were the state who drove the creation of the UN. But this was set up in their own terms and only initially included the Allied nations. Hence, the UN has been rigged from the get go. Now the security council is made up of the wealthy, capitalist nations and states like Iran are bullied and oppressed. It fucking stinks man.

International law is a wonderful idea and if it was implemented correctly, we could see an end to war and genocide. But as it stands, it's just a facade to achieve what the bigger nations want.

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Re: Just what is the point in the UN?

Post  niall on Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:52 am

Green2thecore wrote:
clagan wrote:its as clear as the nose on your face that the tail wags the dog, the head of the UN asks Israel to consider an international "element" to the inquiry.

if it was Iraq or Iran they'd be told what to do and invaded if they didn't comply.

the UN's become a laughing stock. set up to maintain international law yet they get pissed over by the Yanks and Israel. its a joke of an organisation thats supposed to look out for the interests of the international community but instead just looks after US interests.

Well said bro.

The UN is just another tool of the Americans to maintain their global hegemony. The first group to try and uphold international law, in the wake of WW1, was The League of Nations but America refused to join that organisation. Presumably because it was for the world's best interests and not American interests.

Then after WW2, they were the state who drove the creation of the UN. But this was set up in their own terms and only initially included the Allied nations. Hence, the UN has been rigged from the get go. Now the security council is made up of the wealthy, capitalist nations and states like Iran are bullied and oppressed. It fucking stinks man.

International law is a wonderful idea and if it was implemented correctly, we could see an end to war and genocide. But as it stands, it's just a facade to achieve what the bigger nations want.

excellent point comrade. It seems the likes of US and Israel manipulate it to get whatever they want
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Re: Just what is the point in the UN?

Post  clagan on Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:47 am

i see the UN have placed the "toughest ever" sanctions on Iran today. the sanctions are military related but it just sums up their hypocrisy. Israel are calling for more arms from America after murdering humanitarian aid workers in international waters and sweet fuck alls happening to them.
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Re: Just what is the point in the UN?

Post  niall on Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:14 am

clagan wrote:i see the UN have placed the "toughest ever" sanctions on Iran today. the sanctions are military related but it just sums up their hypocrisy. Israel are calling for more arms from America after murdering humanitarian aid workers in international waters and sweet fuck alls happening to them.

its a complete joke but not a surprise in the slightest
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